View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
| weia
| Joined: 12 Nov 2005 | Posts: 5 | : | | Items |
|
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: the slowest simple sudoku |
|
|
Many sudoku's in newspapers can be solved by only filling in naked singles and hidden singles, without having to look at more complex patterns. This 'simple sudoku's' (or do they already have another name?) start with a position that often leads to say 3 singles (hidden or not). I call it one round when you fill in those 3. This leads to another say 4 singles for the second round. In the third round you can add 5 singles or so. Now what I am wondering is: what is the slowest simple sudoku that takes the most rounds to find the complete solution?
In theory one could start with 17 hints and so 64 blanks, but the last 4 always go in one round, so theoretically a simple sudoku is possible that takes 60 rounds to complete, with every round existing of finding only one single (naked or hidden).
Have others looked at this? Who knows a very slow sudoku? (Which I like more than the fast ones.)
As an example: on http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~gordon/sudokumin.php all sudoku's with 17 hints are given. The first is done after 15 rounds, the second after only 11 rounds, the next three aren't simple. The two simple ones have only one round with only 1 single, their last round. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| weia
| Joined: 12 Nov 2005 | Posts: 5 | : | | Items |
|
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The slowest among the first 2500 of Gordon's 17-sudoku's takes 26 rounds to the solution. This one:
000000063
000100000
200000000
050000100
000400200
009006000
630090000
000200740
008000000
Nine rounds have only 1 (hidden) single. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| Ruud Site Admin
| Joined: 17 Sep 2005 | Posts: 708 | : | Location: Netherlands | Items |
|
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi,
I perform these tests on my own generated sudokus, so I was able to run the test on the complete sudoku17 collection (32930 entries)
There are 15198 sudokus in the collection that can be solved with FN only.
The winner, with 27 rounds:
Code: | 2 . .|. 6 .|8 . .
. . .|. . 1|3 . .
. . .|. 7 5|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 5 .|. . .|. 7 1
. . 3|8 . .|. . .
. . .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
4 7 .|. . .|. 5 .
. . .|4 . .|2 . .
. . .|. . .|. . . |
The runners-up, with 26 rounds:
Code: | . . .|. . .|. 6 3
. . .|1 . .|. . .
2 . .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 5 .|. . .|1 . .
. . .|4 . .|2 . .
. . 9|. . 6|. . .
-----+-----+-----
6 3 .|. 9 .|. . .
. . .|2 . .|7 4 .
. . 8|. . .|. . . | and
Code: | . . .|3 . .|5 . .
2 . .|. . .|. 7 .
6 . .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. . 7|. 2 6|. . .
. 3 .|. . .|4 . .
. 5 .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. . .|1 . .|. 8 .
8 . .|. . .|. . 2
. . .|. 5 4|. . . |
The losers are, with only 8 rounds:
Code: | . 1 .|. . .|7 . .
. . .|. . 4|. . .
. . .|. 6 .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
5 . 4|. . .|. 6 .
. . .|1 2 .|. . .
6 . .|3 . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
4 . .|. . 8|. . .
. . .|. . .|3 . 5
. . .|7 . .|1 . . |
and
Code: | . . .|1 . .|. 6 .
3 . .|. . .|2 . .
5 . .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 1 7|. . .|. . .
. . .|. . 3|8 . .
. . .|. . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 6 .|7 1 .|. 4 .
2 . .|. . .|3 . .
. . .|6 . .|5 . . |
In my experience, counting rounds is a very good way to assess relative difficulty for these easy Sudokus.
Ruud. _________________ Meet me at sudocue.net |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| weia
| Joined: 12 Nov 2005 | Posts: 5 | : | | Items |
|
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ah! You tested them all, thanks!
Weia |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| daj95376
| Joined: 05 Feb 2006 | Posts: 349 | : | | Items |
|
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ruud wrote: |
I perform these tests on my own generated sudokus, so I was able to run the test on the complete sudoku17 collection (32930 entries)
|
FYI: I believe Gordon's collection is around 35,396 entries now. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| Ruud Site Admin
| Joined: 17 Sep 2005 | Posts: 708 | : | Location: Netherlands | Items |
|
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
daj95376 wrote: | FYI: I believe Gordon's collection is around 35,396 entries now. |
Actually, it's 36,628 already. The search is going faster than planned .
Thanks for the tip. I've updated my local copy.
Ruud. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|