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| Puzzler
| Joined: 04 May 2009 | Posts: 36 | : | | Items |
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: What Jellyfish rule am I breaking? |
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I was wondering if someone could review this jellyfish grid and tell me what rule I'm breaking.
The situation is that I've found a Jellyfish for 1's in the grid (marked in Green) and identified the candidates to be removed (highlighted in red)
The trouble is the candidate marked in the purple group shouldn't be marked for elimination as it's actually the value for this cell.
I've racked my brains but i cant see what "rule" I'm breaking for Jellyfish, or is it that this technique is only suited to grids where more candidates have been removed?
Thanks again!
The text version is really hard to decipher. Is there anyway to post an image on a message? A screen print would be much easier to read.
*-----------*
|003|100|005|
|850|400|000|
|006|050|009|
|---+---+---|
|025|006|080|
|000|000|000|
|070|800|430|
|---+---+---|
|500|020|600|
|000|008|014|
|100|003|500|
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| 2479 49 3 | 1 6789 279 | 278 2467 5 |
| 8 5 1279 | 4 3679 279 | 1237 267 12367 |
| 247 14 6 | 237 5 27 | 12378 247 9 |
|-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 349 2 5 | 379 13479 6 | 179 8 17 |
| 3469 134689 1489 | 23579 13479 124579 | 1279 25679 1267 |
| 69 7 19 | 8 19 1259 | 4 3 126 |
|-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 5 3489 4789 | 79 2 1479 | 6 79 378 |
| 23679 369 279 | 5679 679 8 | 2379 1 4 |
| 1 4689 24789 | 679 4679 3 | 5 279 278 |
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| Pete
| Joined: 09 Jun 2008 | Posts: 18 | : | Location: Somerset, NJ | Items |
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see any jellyfish here. Did you overlook the 1 at r7c6? |
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| hobiwan
| Joined: 11 Feb 2008 | Posts: 83 | : | | Items |
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:31 am Post subject: |
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It is easier to see if you align the candidates and put the grid between code tags:
Code: | .----------------------.----------------------.---------------------.
| 2479 49 3 | 1 6789 279 | 278 2467 5 |
| 8 5 1279 | 4 3679 279 | 1237 267 12367 |
| 247 14 6 | 237 5 27 | 12378 247 9 |
:----------------------+----------------------+---------------------:
| 349 2 5 | 379 13479 6 | 179 8 17 |
| 3469 134689 1489 | 23579 13479 124579 | 1279 25679 1267 |
| 69 7 19 | 8 19 1259 | 4 3 126 |
:----------------------+----------------------+---------------------:
| 5 3489 4789 | 79 2 1479 | 6 79 378 |
| 23679 369 279 | 5679 679 8 | 2379 1 4 |
| 1 4689 24789 | 679 4679 3 | 5 279 278 |
'----------------------'----------------------'---------------------' |
There is no Jellyfish in this grid.
If you do all Singles, two Locked Candidates and two Naked Pairs, you arrive at a Jellyfish for 9:
Code: | .--------------------.-----------------.--------------.
| *279 4 3 | 1 8 *279 | 27 6 5 |
| 8 5 *279 | 4 6 *279 | 13 27 13 |
| 27 1 6 | 3 5 27 | 8 4 9 |
:--------------------+-----------------+--------------:
| 4 2 5 | 79 3 6 | 179 8 17 |
| 3-9 389 18-9 | 2 17-9 4 | 79 5 6 |
| 6 7 *19 | 8 *19 5 | 4 3 2 |
:--------------------+-----------------+--------------:
| 5 38 4 | 79 2 1 | 6 79 38 |
| *2379 6 *279 | 5 *79 8 | 237 1 4 |
| 1 89 278-9 | 6 4 3 | 5 279 78 |
'--------------------'-----------------'--------------'
Jellyfish: 9 r1268 c1356 => r5c135,r9c3<>9 |
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| daj95376
| Joined: 05 Feb 2006 | Posts: 349 | : | | Items |
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: |
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You forgot to mark [r7c6] Green in column 6. This would force you to add another row ... and that's the rule you would be violating. {Repeating what Pete said earlier, but with a marked PM}
Code: | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
| 2479 49 3 | 1 6789 279 | 278 2467 5 |
| 8 5 *1279 | 4 3679 279 | 1237 267 *12367 |
| 247 14 6 | 237 5 27 | 12378 247 9 |
|-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 349 2 5 | 379 *13479 6 | 179 8 *17 |
| 3469 134689 *1489 | 23579 *13479 *124579 | 1279 25679 *1267 |
| 69 7 *19 | 8 *19 *1259 | 4 3 *126 |
|-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 5 3489 4789 | 79 2 @1479 | 6 79 378 |
| 23679 369 279 | 5679 679 8 | 2379 1 4 |
| 1 4689 24789 | 679 4679 3 | 5 279 278 |
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
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Actually, [r7c6]=1 is a Hidden Single for [r7] and [b8]. It's always a good idea to perform all basic techniques before searching for more advanced techniques. |
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| Puzzler
| Joined: 04 May 2009 | Posts: 36 | : | | Items |
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: Bingo! |
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Yep, it was that little critter in [r7,c6]
I'll change my code to look for no more than four cells in a column or row, (depending on the search direction).
Thanks for your help. |
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